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Post by pixie on Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:53 pm

Thomasians!

Ano ang opinyon nyo sa 'pakiki-alam' ng simbahang katoliko sa ilang mga pamamalakad ng pamahalaan? Tingin nyo ba exaggerate na sila o ayos lang?

Ang Simbahang Katoliko ang sinasabing 'moral force' ng bansa at totoo namang malaki ang nagawa nilang papel sa ilang mga makasaysayang kaganapan sa bansa katulad ng EDSA 1 at EDSA 2.

pero marami naman ang nagtaas ng kilay ng pakialamanan nila ang Proyekto ng DOH na namigay ang DOH ng condom nung Valentines day. Sabi ni CC, pinopromote raw ng DOH ang premarital sex eklavu, sabi naman ng DOH pinopromote lang nila ang safe sex.

Sa tingin nyo ba, dapat nangengeelam ang simbahan sa mga ganitong mga bagay o pabayaan nalang nila ang gubyerno na gawin ang trabaho nila.

Interesting marinig ang opinyon ng mga galing sa catholic school Smile

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Post by dominick on Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:01 pm

The state and the church must help each other for the better. THe church is there to guide the people but not to the point of directly directing the people what to do.

However, the state could consider the Church's opinion but will still be responsible for its decisions.

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Post by r0en on Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:10 pm

I think the state shouldnt interfere. Give options and offer suggestions? yes. But rallying and preaching one sided beliefs to the filipino people? no. They are there to guide our immortal souls. Not to gain power politically. But then again, history always repeats itself. It seems that no matter what we do, we make the same mistake over and over again...
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Post by dominick on Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:20 pm

Tama.. The church is very much dictating the people of what to do. Bumabalik tuloy ung setting nung spanish time.
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Post by r0en on Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:31 pm

exactly! before you know it may inquisition na. haayz. dito lang ata sa pinas' may ganyan eh. T.T
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Post by dominick on Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:38 pm

fanatic kasi most people here sa religion e tsss
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Post by centz_ on Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:02 am

against God's will daw ang ginagawa ng government especially ang DOH (housebill 5043 reproductive health bill) sa pag pigil ng pagpaparami or humanitae vitae.

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Post by dominick on Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:57 am

yup centz... pag tinake literally... hehehe

pero for me, ok lang ung birth control... its a matter of choice talaga. Smile
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Post by cholzee on Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:08 pm

sige. well, it's not like the people are being fanatics of the Catholic Church. but it's so happened that we fear the Church so much, i mean most of us. through that fear, many people have been misled by their beliefs. a lot of people have closed their eyes and ears and eventually chose to depend wholly on what the Church says.

that.
is.
wrong.

we can't bear to see our nation moving towards nothing, correct? but in the other side, we can't really blame our fellow Filipinos especially the unfortunate ones if they resolve into something like "bahala na" or if they appoint anyone, anywhere, anytime to lead this country... because they haven't been given the education they need.

unlike us, we understand what's happening.

the Church is overdoing things. and what pushes them is the community of these people who are in great need. "kawawa din naman sila, wala kasi silang mapagsumbungan at mapagsabihan ng kanilang mga hinaing".

yes, for me, the Church must not meddle with the government's decisions. but i'm trying to see things in a different perspective. though i actually want death penalty to be implemented. i know it's cruel. for that, i might be cruel too.

the Church will always oppose the government. nothing's going to seem right. let's face it. they're not gonna run out of reasons to dislike a leader. they hate every leader. they hate everyone in the cabinet.

it's hard to comprehend but that's just the way it is.

we have a new president now. let's hope for something good to happen.


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Post by centz_ on Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:07 am

hindi naman daw ksi naramdaman ng simbahan kung ganu kahirap magpalaki ng mga anak, kaya ganun ganun na lamang ang pagkontra nila
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Post by dominick on Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:10 am

oo nga... (except for some.)

Lets just hope for the best.
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Post by centz_ on Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:08 am

siguro kung ibabaling ng government ang attention ng mga tao sa pagtratrabaho para kumita. hindi magiging problema ang pagdami ng populasyon. kaso magiging singapore tayo. hehe kunti lang populasyon pag ngyari.

sa nakikita ko parang chain reaction ksi

pag oras na ngkaroon ng mgandang trabaho ang mga tao - mwawalan sila ng past time like coitus - uunlad ang bansa - kokonti naman ang man power ng bansa dahil wala ng producer dahil di na nila ginagawang past time ito. haha ewan parang equivalent - exchange
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Post by dominick on Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:21 pm

Educate the people properly...
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Post by jep_jeff on Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:44 am

from what I heard from a reliable source about sa RH bill, most of it is crap i think? kasi parang dating sakin nung mga naka sulat is may bahid ng corruption ehh. another is parang 'ok' lang daw mag abort ng baby..
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Post by dominick on Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:05 am

as per our theo class, may mga grounds para maging legal ang abortion sa current Church law.

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Post by cholzee on Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:40 pm

i dunno if it has something to do with rape. im not sure.

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Post by dominick on Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:39 pm

di ko na rin maalala e. hehe

anyway,

topic kanina ito sa PGC namin....

The Church cannot interfere with the state policies unless those policies are immoral. The state and the Church must complement to each other.

The state take care of its people physical being while the Church supplies the moral and spiritual aspects of life.

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Post by Musikero on Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:58 pm

pwd pa off topic?

ang sarap dalin nung mga ganitong usapan sa GEB. Smile
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Post by cholzee on Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:40 am

Musikero wrote:pwd pa off topic?

ang sarap dalin nung mga ganitong usapan sa GEB. Smile


it sure is, jokoman.

may io-open akong topic sa GEB na talagang mahusay. kaya dapat magpakita kayong lahat..
sorry off-topic.

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Post by dominick on Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:43 am

kahit naman saang thread off topic tayo hahaha
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Post by cholzee on Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:00 pm

@domz hahahahaha! natawa ako dun ah! Twisted Evil

anyway, isa na rin sigurong problema sa bansa ay marami masyado ang nagmamarunong at nagmamagaling. kaya yung iba naman, napangungunahan ng kahinaan kaya sumusunod na lang sa mungkahi ng iba. example yung nangyayari ngayon sa government, church at taumbayan.

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Post by dominick on Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:47 pm

lets just hope that this administration is far better than the past
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Post by pixie on Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:25 pm

centz_ wrote:
pag oras na ngkaroon ng mgandang trabaho ang mga tao - mwawalan sila ng past time like coitus - uunlad ang bansa - kokonti naman ang man power ng bansa dahil wala ng producer dahil di na nila ginagawang past time ito. haha ewan parang equivalent - exchange

susyal ka kuya cents, coitus talaga ha? HAHAHAH!


jep_jeff wrote:from what I heard from a reliable source about sa RH bill, most of it is crap i think? kasi parang dating sakin nung mga naka sulat is may bahid ng corruption ehh. another is parang 'ok' lang daw mag abort ng baby..

not really, nabasa ko yung RH bill (medyo tagos lang kasi ang boring magbasa ng mga ganon lol), SPECIFICALLY sinabi sa RH Bill na hindi nila pinopromote ang abortion or the bill is NOT for abortion. Ang pagkakabasa ko nga eh hindi nagfocus sa abortion, but more on maternal care. but then again, i might be wrong.

Tingin ko ang problema sa RH bill eh hindi nagtutugma ang definition ng church at ng state sa mga bagay.

OPINYON KO LANG, theory pala:
ang sa church kasi (sa pagkakaalam ko), ang sex ay para lang sa procreation. So pag nagsex ang dalawang tao tas gumamit sila ng contraception, hinaharangan nila yung procreation. yun siguro ang ibig sabihin nila ng 'abortion'

sa state naman, yung fetus na yung buhay. na hanggat walang fetus dyan na pinapatay, hindi abortion yun.

naisip ko rin na yung RH bill, totoo yung sinasabi nya... i mean hinaharap nya yung reality. na kapag ito ang nangyari, eto ang gagawin natin. Pero yung church kasi parang ang line of thinking nila 'hindi ito mangyayari kasi masama yan'

wala naisip ko lang yan habang nakasakay sa lrt lol

anyway, hindi ko matandaan kung sinabi ko na 'to sa umpisa nitong thread, pero technically, ang church MAY KARAPATAN silang mag meddle sa government kasi ang church ay part ng state.

ang mali lang ay kung may papaburan na religion ang government.

kaya dapat ang gov't hindi nasisindak ng church eh, lalo sa mga bagay katulad ng RH. hehe

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Post by dominick on Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:36 am

anyway, hindi ko matandaan kung sinabi ko na 'to sa umpisa nitong thread, pero technically, ang church MAY KARAPATAN silang mag meddle sa government kasi ang church ay part ng state.

They complement each other but they are not part of each other.

Article II, Sec 6. 1986 Philippine Constitution
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Post by cholzee on Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:36 pm

di na mababago yan since Christian country tayo we accept the Church as a big part of everything that's taking place in our nation.

pero tama si memi. dito: "kaya dapat ang gov't hindi nasisindak ng church eh, lalo sa mga bagay katulad ng RH."

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